Interesting GERD Development

I am still wrestling with GERD, and I have discovered an anomaly!

I started taking probiotics (Vitacost brand) about a month or so ago. Probiotics are supposed to aid in managing GERD symptoms and I’d been taking Kyo-Dophilus before I got the Vitacost brand without issues. Soon after starting these, I began to have bouts of severe hypersalivation (called “water bashing”) which is caused by acids touching the esophagus an causing an automatic salivary response. In addition to having a LOT of saliva, swallowing it would make the GERD even worse! It was keeping me up at night.

I was even getting GERD spikes during the day and occasional water bashing during the day! I thought I was doomed to start back on PPIs to get rid of this nasty symptom. As it was, I was having to take Pepcid (H2) several times a week just to sleep.

Tuesday I decided to look up probiotics and GERD. Lo and behold, there IS actually a correlation to taking them and having worse GERD symptoms! Sigh. I, apparently, am one of the people who have bad results with probiotics. LUCKY ME! I stopped taking the probiotic yesterday and the GERD has already backed off a bit. I think it’s the Vitacost brand that has something in it that does not agree with me. Nonetheless, probiotics are OUT.

I’m still having some water bashing – I had a couple of short bouts last night. I’m hoping it will cease now that I’m off the probiotics. The minor good news is that the H2 (Pepcid) does not seem to cause complete constipation, so I think I can safely use that for nighttime GERD.

So, if you are taking probiotics and your GERD is no better, try stopping them. They might be making it worse!

This fucking issue (GERD) is a moving target. UGH. I’m mostly OK, but it is something I deal with every single day. BUT would I choose to skip VSG knowing that I’d have GERD? NOPE. It’s the best thing I’ve ever done and I’d do it again. It’s worth playing the odds that you won’t have GERD like I do. I think most do NOT. But I will tell you to get OFF PPIs as soon as you possibly can, so your body does not become dependent like mine did. GERD is no joke!

Managing GERD Longterm

As I’ve talked about several times, GERD is a fact of life after VSG surgery. I am averse to taking medications for the rest of my life, but it appears I’ll have no choice. I don’t mind taking supplements, I’ve done that for decades, but medications that alter my body make me uncomfortable. Even if I’d been told about the GERD (I WAS NOT), I’d still have gone for the surgery. The benefits far outweigh (ha! PUN!) the GERD.

That said, I’ve been on a quest to find the right balance of PPI and/or H2RA to manage the GERD with the smallest dose possible. In case you’re new or unsure about all these acronyms, here is a quick primer to bring you up to speed:

GERD – Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease
VSG – Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy, often called gastric sleeve surgery (not an actual sleeve, refers to shape of stomach)
PPI – Proton Pump Inhibitor, a drug that binds with certain enzymes and prevents the pumps from producing acid in the stomach
H2RA – Histamine Receptor 2 Antagonist, an antihistamine that blocks acid production in the stomach
NAB – Nocturnal acid breakthrough
-zole drugs – any reflux drug that ends in -zole is a PPI class drug
-dine drugs – any reflux drug that ends in -dine is an H2RA class drug

There is a goodly amount of research and studies on both PPI and H2RA drugs, but there is still much unknown about long term use of them (paper HERE). Doctors tend to prescribe these drugs liberally, without taking into consideration their side effects and long term issues that will arise from taking them (paper on this HERE). I was not told a single thing about the PPI I was given, other than take it twice a day. That’s it. They also did not go into detail about other supplements a VSG patient should take for the rest of their lives. A passing mention was given to Vitamin B12, but no documentation was offered. The useless nutritionist never once mentioned Vit B12 supplementation, either.

Fortunately for any VSG patients reading this, you have ME to root through the reams of research and give you the info I’ve rounded up in a convenient blog post. :)

After finishing the initial month of Mexican omeprazole (Prilosec) in capsules, I switched to American omeprazole in tablets. I had already done the reading about the long term issues with omeprazole, such as calcium and magnesium blocking, which is very problematic. I tried switching to Zantac (ranitidine) twice a day and the side effects were horrible. I had ringing in my ears, constipation, diarrhea. I felt awful. And I still had some reflux. This lasted about two weeks, then I gave up and went back on omeprazole 20mg in the morning and famotidine 20mg (Pepcid) at night before bed. I spoke to the pharmacist about it and decided I’d split the difference (paper about PPI and H2RA HERE). I’ve been on this combo for about 2.5 months. The famotidine also gives me some buzzing in my ears, but milder than ranitidine. But it’s got to go.

Today I’ve been reading about using PPI and H2RA drugs together and mostly it’s a wash. There is little evidence that taking the H2RA at night will help with Nighttime Acid Breakthrough (NAB). It’s pretty much worked for me, but the last couple of weeks it has been less effective. Most of the studies I read indicated that taking a PPI twice a day is more effective in general than the combo.

I also read that Nexium (esomeprazole) is slightly more effective than Prilosec (omeprazole)(papers HERE and HERE) and the newer drugs Protonix (pantoprazole) and Aciphex (rabeprazole) are even better, but they are Rx and likely very expensive (Aciphex is $800/mo at retail and no insurance covers it, FYI). The good news is that Aciphex is available in generic, but there is a wide variety of quality amongst the manufacturers (more about that HERE). I will revisit trying them out if Nexium poops out on me in a few months. I’m betting it will, but I’ll save my $65 Dr visit for now. Article with comparisons HERE.

So I’ve decided to switch to Nexium 20mg once a day to see how the NAB is. (I ended up taking Nexium 20mg twice a day.) I hope I can keep the dosage to a minimum, although one study said that the dosage is irrelevant to the nasty side effects. Calcium and magnesium are blocked just the same with 20mg as 60mg+ (paper HERE). But hopefully the ear buzzing will cease when I discontinue the H2RA. (It did, mostly, but I still have light buzzing.)

To offset the calcium/magnesium issues, I take a cal/mag supplement as well as a D3 and Vit K2 supplement. D3 and K2 (NOT just K, but K2) help a lot with absorption of calcium and magnesium. I’ve listed details of what I take daily here.

I’ve found that taking Kyolic Kyo-Dophilus daily has helped with my gut issues. Taking PPIs and H2RAs wreaks havoc on your gut. Diarrhea, constipation or BOTH should be expected. Taking the gut flora caps seems to offset some of this. I recommend taking probiotics! Your gut is a mess after VSG. Between no food, antibiotics and taking 40mg of Prilosec a day, you pretty much kill off your gut flora. I wish I’d started the Kyo-Dophilus immediately after surgery, but of course, Drs (and apparently nutritionists) are not trained in supplements, so it was not mentioned. You should start this before and right after surgery. Get the yogurt with probiotics in it at the very least (Activia, I think it is).

My adventures in managing GERD after VSG have been informative if nothing else. I know more about how the stomach works that I ever did! I hope my blog posts are helping others who have gotten VSG and not been told all the facts. I know that Drs here AND in Mexico are extremely uninformed about the long term use of PPIs and how to supplement. I’ve spoken to people who’ve gotten VSG in both places and they have been told ZERO about what to take afterwards. Vitamin B12 supplementation is VITAL. So is calcium and magnesium! Not getting these vital nutrients can cause terrible side effects in the long term. B12 deficiency has been linked to dementia and of course calcium deficiency means osteoporosis. Magnesium imbalance can cause heart issues. So do your reading and TAKE YOUR SUPPLEMENTS. It is important to your long term health!